Unleash your inner speed demon as we dive into the adrenaline-fueled world of high-performance racing simulations.
In this episode of The MOVEMENT Movement, Steven Sashen speaks with Brian McRae, a professional sim racer who approaches the virtual racing world with the same dedication and seriousness as traditional motorsports, viewing it as a legitimate discipline within the racing community. He asserts that modern racing simulators offer a level of fidelity and realism akin to flight simulators, making them highly effective training tools for aspiring racers. By advocating for sim racing as a viable entry point into professional motorsports, McRae highlights success stories like those of NASCAR drivers Ty Majeski and William Byron, who transitioned from virtual to real-world racing. His passion for sim racing is further reflected in the vibrant community he has fostered, with his popular YouTube league drawing a dedicated audience and showcasing the thrill of racing without the financial and physical risks associated with traditional motorsport.
Key Takeaways:
→ Practice the heel-toe shifting technique for smoother gear engagement.
→ Explore paddle shifting for faster and more efficient gear changes.
→ Engage in short and intense physical activities for improved performance.
→ How people can learn from both their successes and their failures.
Brian McRae is the leader of Top Flight Sim Racing, a professional iRacing team specializing in stock car and sports car endurance racing. Since 2018, he has guided the team to over 20 wins, four league championships, and three class wins in prestigious endurance events, including back-to-back victories at the 24 Hours of Nürburgring and an outright win at the 2021 iRacing Petit Le Mans. With a passion for racing, Brian has also competed in the iRacing Daytona 24, one of the largest global online racing events. At Top Flight Sim Racing, collaboration, strategy, and mental endurance are at the core of their success, as the team races five nights a week in the OBRL, one of iRacing’s premier leagues.
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Steven Sashen
If you’re looking for the right shoes to wear when you’re driving 200 miles an hour, have I got news for you? Especially if you’re doing that 200 miles an hour without leaving your living room. We’re going to talk about that on today’s episode of the Movement. Movement, the podcast for people who want to know the truth about what it takes to have a happy, healthy, strong body. Starting feet first. You know, those things at the end of your legs that are the foundation for everything you do. We also break down the propaganda, the mythology and sometimes the flat out lies you’ve been told about about what it takes to run, walk, hike, play, do yoga, lift, anything you can think of and to do that enjoyably, effectively, efficiently. Did I say enjoyably? Don’t answer that. I know I did because I say it all the time. Because look, if you’re not having a good time, you’re not going to keep up whatever it is you’re doing. So find something you enjoy. We’re going to talk about that today. I’m Stephen Sashin, co founder, chief barefoot officer here at Zero Shoes and we call this the Movement Movement. Because we including you more about that in a second. No obligation, no cost. We are creating a movement about natural movement, letting your body do what it’s made to do without getting in the way and causing problems and then claiming that you’re actually providing cures for the thing that you just created. So here’s the we part. It’s really simple. Spread the word, give us a thumbs up, give us a five star review. Hit the bell icon on YouTube. To hear about new episodes, go to our website, www.jointhemovementmovement.com. nothing you need to do to join. There’s no cost, it’s just that’s the domain I got. But you’ll find all the previous episodes, of which there are quite a few, you’ll find all the ways you can find us on social media and how you can find the podcast in somewhere other than where you found it now, if you’re not crazy about the place where you found it now. So all of that said, let’s get started. Brian McRae, tell people who you are and what you’re doing here and how it is that you can go so fast in such a tiny little space.
Brian McRae
Well, it’s going fast in the office, so it’s a little bit different. I am a professional sim racer and for those of you that don’t know, that’s kind of like playing Gran Turismo. On your. On your tv, but on steroids. We, we have racing team simulator equipment and gear in our offices. And it has the fidelity of, say, a flight simulator training scenario. This is something that real race teams use to train. And those of us that can’t afford or get to a racetrack use them in real life to actually race other people. And so it’s something that we do at a very high level, something we enjoy. We treat it like racing. It’s just another discipline for us. So we go 200 miles an hour, but we’re standing still the whole time.
Steven Sashen
Well, it occurs to me, how many people have gone. I mean, how many professional racers use sim for training? And the really fun question, how many sim racers have actually gotten in a car on a real track and what’s that experience like?
Brian McRae
That’s a fantastic question. And just about every racing driver.
Steven Sashen
Why, thank you.
Brian McRae
Just about every racing driver uses simulations. They all do. Every professional race team has. It has a. Has simulators. All the manufacturers have simulators. Simulators have always been a part of racing. Now your second question is, how many sim drivers have gone onto real racing? Well, there’s a story, there’s actually a movie made about this kid who won the PlayStation Academy, the Gran Turismo PlayStation Academy went on to run the 24 hours of Le Mans. This is way back in the early 2000s. Since then, there have been several NASCAR drivers. Ty Majeski is one who have made the. Made the leap to real racing. William Byron, who has won several NASCAR races at the cup level, started as a sim racer too. So it’s become both a training ground. But the reason that it’s such a trading ground is that it evens the playing field. It makes racing accessible because if you can race in the sim, odds are you can probably race in real life. And so it’s made racing something that’s not very accessible to any of us. It’s made it accessible. Accessible to all of us.
Steven Sashen
Well, my question, especially going from sim to a real car, is. So I, way back when was doing a bunch of day trading. Good, okay. I have a friend who’s still doing that. And of course, one of the things you try and do when you’re trading a system is you want to test your system and you can test it in real time with simulated trading. And then you play, put some money on the table and everything changes. Even if it’s a small amount of money, whole different game. So I’m curious, it would be fascinating to talk to someone who’s made that transition from sim to real about, you know, what the difference is when you know that if things go wrong, you don’t just fall out of your chair, it can go bad. And I have to tell you, I’ll tell you a funny or not funny, very interesting story about someone who doesn’t go from sim to real. But my only racing story, but I’ll tell you that in a second.
Brian McRae
But I can tell you certainly that having I’ve actually raced my car at the Circuit of the Americas, that’s a, that’s a world class Formula one racetrack here in Austin. And I’ve raced that track in the sim thousands and thousands of laps. And I can tell you in no uncertain terms that the feel of the car, now granted, we have limited. We can only interact with the pedals, interact with the steering wheel, and interact visually. So we don’t have the tactile, we don’t have the G forces, the noise, the smell, all the things that makes real racing fantastic. So we have to rely on the inputs that we do have. But those inputs translate directly, I mean, directly to the way that a car behaves. So I, I can actually tell you a real story about a time I was at the racetrack and I saw a race car make a mistake in a corner. I saw exactly how the car behaved and how the car spun off the track. And I knew exactly what that driver had done because I had made the same mistake in the sim at least 100 times. It’s uncanny how, how, how much a high fidelity simulation can increase your overall ability to drive a regular race car.
Steven Sashen
But now let me say I’m going to reframe this in a little way. In the same way that people, when they talk to Lena and I about starting zero shoes and being entrepreneurs, they say something about our ability to tolerate risk. And I go, no, I don’t think you understand. We don’t perceive this as in any way risky. It never occurs to me that this is risky. I mean, yes, I could end up bankrupt. I could be, you know, catching fish in Baja and that’s the way I survive. Which is, I mean, my, my, I have this, this entrepreneurial failure fantasy which if everything just went, you know, completely to crap, I would make sandwiches at Quiznos and then I’d show up at a high school reunion and people would say, what do you do? And I go, oh, Quiznos. And they’re going to, oh, so you own franchises? No, I’m. They’re letting me cut the bread. Now. I don’t have, I don’t have My identity too tied up with anything that I do. But, but, but. So I wonder for anyone who’s making the transition from sim racing to real racing if it’s a similar thing that the idea of the, the difference in genuine risk is just not even something that pops into one’s mind or if it’s there and then you learn to deal with that and you know what that process is like.
Brian McRae
That’s, I think, probably one of the biggest differences. And I, that I had a very, I mean, it was a track day at Coto, so it wasn’t a public sanctioned race. It wasn’t an actual race. I’m an actual, you know, race car that I was getting paid to drive. But these are. It’s dangerous. Racing at any level is very dangerous. It’s very inconvenient, it’s very expensive. And so all that. And, and it’s. It’s extraordinarily risky. And so, yes, it absolutely affects the way that you drive on a racetrack. And that’s one of the things I don’t have to worry about because I could just.
Steven Sashen
Well, you know, it is interesting. I mean, I do know just from listening to a few people that I know who are really into racing, especially F1, is that the. While it is risky and dangerous, way less so now than it was 10, 20 years ago. I mean, holy smokes. And. And some. So much of that is just technology. Which brings me to my one story. But then we’re going to talk about why we’re talking on my podcast about sim racing. I had a friend who, I have a friend who was one of the first people developing a real time biometric sensing device. It was basically, it was a Palm Pilot with a neoprene vest that had a whole bunch of sensors in it. And so they were getting real time data about what was happening with your breathing and your heart rate and a bunch of other things. And so they had fighter pilots wearing this thing and a bunch of people doing very interesting activities. And one was a racer. I don’t remember, I don’t remember what type of racing. I don’t remember if it was F1 or probably NASCAR. But don’t hold me to it. Either way. They’re looking at the monitor and looking at all of the guys biometrics and it’s all very interesting. And suddenly everything just got really slow. Heart rate went down, breathing went down, like slow. And they’re going, they’re tapping the machine, they’re checking the connectors. Then they look up and they see the guy’s car rolling bad. And when they got him out of the car, they said, we were a little shocked. I mean, we just watched all your vitals slow down. He goes, yeah. Once the car starts rolling, there’s nothing I can do but wait.
Brian McRae
It’s so true. The fundamental truth behind that. Yeah, it’s true. And you’ll see them tuck under. They’ll take their hands off the wheel and pull it. It’s all you can do is just sit there and wait for the hit. It’s. It’s. I don’t have to worry about that. That’s a very. It’s a very real difference.
Steven Sashen
It’s. It’s fascinating. It’s like. I mean, it’s like the times where I’ve. Where I have admittedly accidentally stopped on ESPN when there’s motorcycle racing and you watch someone wipe out on a motorcycle at 150 miles an hour and they just, you know, skid for 100 meters and then stand up like nothing happens. Like, oh, my God. Yeah.
Brian McRae
There’s a big question this that we have to add that I have to ask here is what if.
Steven Sashen
Yeah.
Brian McRae
What if you could deliver, say, 75% of the fidelity of being at the racetrack? So you’re not all the way there, but you’re pretty much there. And what if the simulation’s fidelity was. Was enough such that you could trick your brain that you were really on the track? And this. This happens. This happens because our brains, as you know, don’t know.
Steven Sashen
Oh, yeah.
Brian McRae
Yeah, reality. So while I may not have the perceived risk, I can guarantee you that there have been times when I’ve been in my digital race car and my brain thinks I’m on an actual racetrack and I have to kind of come reality a little bit. That’s how, that’s how good the fidelity simulations has gotten.
Steven Sashen
Well, that raises a question. An interesting one for me is so I’ve been in, like, you know, those 3D fake roller coasters, for example, and I now I like roller coasters in general. Those things nauseate me. Like, there’s no tomorrow. So, I mean, have you found yourself at any time getting that sort of physical effect?
Brian McRae
Absolutely. Especially when I first started. Like, for example, I do a lot of NASCAR racing and a lot of NASCAR racing at Daytona and Talladega. Those are drafting tracks where you’re literally, literally racing 2 inches up from the car in front of you. There’s another car two inches behind you. The first time you do that, it is terrifying. Absolutely terrifying. And even though I’m on a Digital car in a digital racetrack. I’m scared to death. I’m gonna wreck it is just your brain can’t tell the difference. Yeah. So it’s something. A good one of my early teammates, he put it very succinctly. He says you have to get yourself to where you’re comfortable. Feeling uncomfortable.
Steven Sashen
Yeah. Oh, that’s interesting.
Brian McRae
To that point where you’re comfortable in this really uncomfortable place.
Steven Sashen
Well, you know, I would imagine that, I mean, one statistic, and I don’t actually have the statistic. One thing that I know you can give me the statistic if you know it, that is related to that. I mean, that kind of getting, getting comfortable, being uncomfortable. You’re still having all of the tension and stress responses going on, which tell me, how many pounds does a racer lose during an actual race?
Brian McRae
During an actual race. These guys are pro athletes. Yeah. They’re putting heart rate monitors in the cars and their heart rates are like 160, 170, and it’s 110 degrees in the car and they’re wearing a full. I mean, these guys are going flat out the whole time. So they’re at. But even in my air conditioned office, after an hour and a half of a race, I’m drenched in sweat. I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m. My heart rate’s 130. It’s like, it’s like, it’s exercise. So it’s just a different kind of exercise. The intensity.
Steven Sashen
What a trip. Well, you know, for people who don’t grasp how real it can be. I don’t know if there’s anything to search for on this, but my favorite sort of augmented reality or, or not even virtual. It’s hard to explain. Experiment was they have somebody put on a whole VR headset and what they’re seeing in front of them is an avatar of themselves. So when they move, it moves. And what the researcher will do is simultaneously stroke someone’s back with, you know, like a little stick while they’re seeing the fake version, the cartoon version of themselves in front of them getting stroked with a stick. And after a few minutes of doing this, they’ll do something shocking to the avatar and the person feels it in their own body. Like you. Literally, your brain makes you start thinking you are that thing outside of you. Which if you think about, I’m not, I’m not a guy, I haven’t done hallucinogens. But, you know, you hear certain stories and then suddenly it’s like, oh, your brain has this weird ability to to when you look for where am I? It might point to places that aren’t pointing towards your chest or your head.
Brian McRae
I had an experience like that. This is very specific. I was racing. This was a NASCAR race at Kansas. Kansas Speedway is a 1.5 mile an hour oval. It was nighttime. It was a night gorgeous. I love racing.
Steven Sashen
At one point you said 1.51 and.
Brian McRae
A half mile oval. So sorry, Normal oval racetrack. So nothing’s nothing particularly special about it. But this particular night, I can’t tell you exactly why. About halfway through the race, Steven, I swear to God, I thought I was on a real racetrack. I thought that I was there. I thought that I was in the crowd. I really, really believed that I was on that racetrack. And I had to reel myself back in. I really had to like. Wait a minute, hold on a second. Pattern interrupt. You’re sitting in an office. It was that real for me. And there have been several times when I’ve gotten close to that, but nothing ever came close to that. It was like my brain forgot completely that I was in an office and thought I was in a race car on a racetrack. It was uncanny. I’ll never forget it.
Steven Sashen
The closest thing I can come to that is when I was. Let’s see. So I went to film school. I got a degree in film from Columbia. And simultaneously at the request and advice of one of our teachers who was a very well known actor, who said, you should. I should be taking acting classes as well. During this one acting class improv exercise, I’ll do the shortest version of the story possible. I was at a moment. So I have to give a little preface. This exercise. You have a partner and you have. You establish a relationship. And so we established that she was my roommate’s best girlfriend. When we were in college. She was living in New York. I had moved away. And you give each other just enough information so they have a context, but then your job is to make up some other story. And one of the characters walks in the door with this other story. And you know, they start the scene, the scene. I think the exercise called. You know, there’s a knock at the door at one moment. This is where I’m abbreviating dramatically. My brain went, you have two choices now. You know this is fake, or you can go for the ride. And I decided to go for the ride. And where the ride was is I had made up the story that she had always. That her. That I had always been in love with her. Her husband, my roommate, had always told me if it weren’t for him, she’d be with me. I bumped into him at a bar in Chicago, and he told me that again. And I killed him. It gets better. When I. When. When I realized things were kind of weird and awkward, and I, you know, made some comment like, well, you know, Bob always told me that if it weren’t for him, you’d be with me. She goes, yeah, but I used to say that just to get rid of you. I never liked you. And in that moment, when I, quote, realized that I had just killed someone by accident, my brain exploded. And for the next 10 minutes, I was. I felt like I had just made the biggest mistake in the world by killing someone at all, let alone for the wrong reason. It was the most. I mean, and I was having emotions and movements and everything that were, you know, an out of Stephen experience. Never anything like it before or since. It was. And it was, in a weird way, the most freeing thing I ever had because it had nothing to do with the familiar parts of me. It was so wacky for everyone involved that for the next three weeks, no one in my class spoke to me.
Brian McRae
But that’s the point of improv.
Steven Sashen
I mean, well, something that was like, you’re just gonna. Yeah, you’re just gonna go.
Brian McRae
You just went with it. Like, that’s what you’re supposed to do.
Steven Sashen
Yeah. You’re open to whatever happens, and you just go. Now, I don’t know. I know lots of actors who say they’ve had that experience or something similar, and it. But it. 90% of the time, it doesn’t happen. But, like, when that does happen, that’s what makes you come back. That’s what makes you go, I got to do this again.
Brian McRae
You know, that actually speaks to something that we, like, we take it. We take this. My teammates and my league mates, we take this very seriously. Yeah, we are. You know, our cars are painted. We’ve got liveries, we’ve got sponsors. We treat our cars like real race cars. Like, we great. We try to race like real races. Like, we do everything that we can possibly do to make the experience as authentic as possible, even down to the. When the race. Race is over, we cross the finish line and we drive all the way back around the racetrack and back onto pit road as if it were a real race car. Now, it sounds ridiculous, but the idea is that, first of all, the more that you contribute to the realism and the fidelity of the simulation, the more real it gets and the more visceral it becomes. Now that effect gets amplified when those that are racing around you do the same thing. Because now you have a community of people that are dedicated to realism, dedicated to truth, dedicated to fidelity. And Steven, it’s that same experience, that same level of emotion, that depth. It’s the same experience because the environment becomes so rich. And I’ve had, we. This is more, this is why we do it, you know, three nights a week is because we have this collective of people who race this way. And that contributes to the realism more than any technology, more than any graphics, more than anything else. It’s the community around us. It’s uncanny. And that’s actually reminds me very much of improv. It’s very similar.
Steven Sashen
I’m now dying to know who is driving like a SIM F1 car and in real life they’ve got a Ford Focus.
Brian McRae
Well, I drive a Toyota Camry in real life, so that’s me right here.
Steven Sashen
Okay. Now I gotta tell you, I mean, I do have one friend who’s also sim racer and we, we rarely talk about it.
Brian McRae
He.
Steven Sashen
He’s another entrepreneur and it’s been too busy and a little stressed out. But, but I, I do want to ask you later about what it costs to get involved into, you know, to do this. But let’s cut to the chase. The reason we’re having this conversation is you reached out to me a little while ago and said something that has to do with what I do, related to what you do. Shall you tell that story?
Brian McRae
I would love to. And it starts very simply. Steve and you by accident made the perfect sim racing shoe. And what I mean by that is, you know, we like, like race car drivers. There are, there are purpose built shoes for racing. There are driving shoes that are built to do that.
Steven Sashen
Well, I’m gonna, I’m gonna pause there. We’ve had a number of NASCAR drivers reach out to us who wear our st. Their training like in the gym. I mean, like you said, these people are athletes. And, and they said, the only reason we’re not wearing your shoes in the car is they’re not fireproof.
Brian McRae
That’s it. And so I, I bought a pair of HF of these right here of HFS’s favorites. I’ve got at least a half a dozen pair of these things. And I bought my first pair and I came back in from going to the gym or going on a run and I hopped into the sim and completely by accident, I realized that these, they were perfect because the fact that there’s so little material, they’re so flexible, pull the insoles out and it’s just this tiny little layer of rubber of the pedals. And it solves a couple of different challenges just immediately. I mean, it was one of those things that hit me like a lightning bolt because I tried racing barefoot, tried racing in socks, tried racing in shoes. Nothing works because any sort of shoe has so much material that whatever tactile feel that you get from these pedals, you lose. Because we don’t have the same, it’s not the same fidelity you get in an actual race car. We’ve got purpose built pedals, but the feedback is limited. So anything we can do to maximize the feel that we get out of the pedal, the better. That’s why most of us race barefoot or racing and socks. But that doesn’t give you the grip and the consistency that you need. So I’m hooking these things up and they stuck right to the pedals and the hattle. I had the same feel as if I were barefoot. And it was the best of both worlds and it was immediate. So ever since then I started just wearing your shoes in the sim and then I decided to reach out to you, say, hey, I don’t. I haven’t found sim racing shoes. They don’t really exist. And so wouldn’t it be neat to be able to put these out into the world and tell more people about the story?
Steven Sashen
And it’s something that we’re having more conversations about that. And you know, I’ve talked about a driving shoe for a while. There’s a couple of things that we would want to change to make that work better. So you started with the hfs. That’s the. What we now call the HFS original. Did you. Where did you go from there? Did you pick up anything else?
Brian McRae
I did. So there’s a couple of different applications. The hfs, the original HFS is great. I call it my sprint racing shoot. So if I have a short race or one that I’ve got to have a lot of footwork, it’s my go to because it has so little material and my HFS are so well broke. Broken in there. Like it’s almost like an extension of my foot. So it’s the least amount of material I have between, you know, my, my foot and the pedals. My new go to though is the new Speed Force. Oh man. New Speed Force. Steven. What a shoe. I. And it’s actually. So my new kind of campaign slogan is from the SIM to the gym. Because these shoes work phenomenally in both places. And it was actually you, you’re the one that turned me on to these a long time ago. And when you and I first started talking in a couple of months ago, you told me about the new ones. And man, these. These things are. They’re incredible. And it’s. So they’re even lighter than the original hfs. Yeah, the sole is even thinner. But the back of the sole is such that it’s. It’s shaped more like a traditional driving shoe. So just the shoe architecture, and the architecture of the sole likens itself more to a driving shoe. And there’s even less material in the upper, so it breathes just phenomenal. And then in the gym, the platform I get in the gym off these things is something really special. So I wear them all the time.
Steven Sashen
Well, yeah. The original version of that I co developed originally with a guy who was at Nike for 30 years and researched ways that people made shoes where they had no technology or whether it’s because of unavailability or that they were 400 years ago. And the original version, you could sew it together with four pieces of fabric. And frankly, it was never quite the way I originally designed it. I could never get the factory to do it right. But then we commercialized it, made it, made it pretty good. And then we also knew that the. That original design, people either loved it or hated it, but we always try to make it so that there’s not a reason to not buy something and. And then redesigned it with. With the new upper, which is even lighter. And it’s a whole other thing. There’s some people who still love the original. I like it too. I work them both. But yeah, this is the shoe that as a sprinter I race and compete and train in. So in the gym, I wear it because it’s like nothing. It’s flat. Not messing with my posture, lets my toes really work. We’ve had a number of powerlifters who swear by that shoe as well. Actually all of them but that one. Because it’s the closest thing to, like you said, closest thing to barefoot, let your toes actually work. Most people don’t know that. For. Especially for heavy lifting and for professional lift like powerlifting, bench pressing starts with your feet and. And there’s that. And you’ve said to me when we were talking privately, you had a line that was similar about driving with your feet.
Brian McRae
Oh, absolutely. You drive a race car with your feet too. The brake pedal. It’s the people. Most of the. The old. One of the first questions a race car driver will ask is, what’s the brake pedal? For, and people say it’s supposed to stop the car. It’s not, it’s to turn the car. Turn the car. So it’s all. You drive the car with your feet as much as you do the steering. Well, in fact you want to drive the car with your feet because if any input I’m putting into the steering wheel is wearing out the tires, which is going to take good time off my lap. So if I can drive the car with my feet, I don’t have to use the steering wheel as much and I save my tires. So. Absolutely. That’s. Every professional race car driver will tell.
Steven Sashen
You that that’s very interesting. Well, one thing I know about, about performance driving and I, I know this only because I’ve had a number of delightfully fast cars. I like things I don’t draw, I don’t, I don’t speed speed, but I accelerate. It’s what I like doing. So my last car I sold it to get what I’m driving now was a Subaru BRZ that I put a supercharger in because, you know, of course, and so in, in researching that and, and I’ve driven a couple, I mean I actually drove a Lotus Amira recently which is very much fun. And so one of the techniques for effective driving for people who don’t know is referred to as heel toe for shifting. And can you describe that and talk to me? I’m just very curious about what your experience is doing heel toe shifting when you’re got a shoe that’s wider or foot shaped rather than something that’s squeezing your toes together.
Brian McRae
I can’t. You can’t. I can’t heel toe in any other shoe. There’s just, I mean I, I wear size 15 shoes. I’m 6 foot 4 so there’s a lot of me to go around anyway. And the pedal box of a sim racing just, it’s just thinner. It’s just, it’s a different office, not a race car.
Steven Sashen
Well, we do want to describe how heel toe works for people so they understand the.
Brian McRae
Sure, yeah, absolutely. So whenever you’re, whenever you’re operating three pedals, if you have, if you have a clutch and the brake and the gas, whenever you are downshifting, you actually want to blip the throttle to bump the revs up so that the gears, so that the gears engage more quickly. Well, you might be on the brakes when you do that. And so the, the effect is you either, you either press the brake with your right foot and heal the gas and then move your left Foot to the clutch, and so the heater heel, toe healing the gas toe in the brake or vice versa. If you’re a left foot breaker, you heal the clutch and put your foot on the brake and heel toe the brakes. Depends on the technique. It depends on whether, whether or not you’re a left foot breaker or right foot breaker. The classic technique is the right foot. So your left foot, your right foot goes on the brake, your left foot goes on the clutch, and your right foot operates the gas with the heel and the, the break with your toe. You’ll see Ayrton Senec videos, you’ll see some classic red stock car videos. Doing that. That is, for me, impossible. And shoes just can’t do it. I in, in these shoes, I can. It’s, it’s, it’s still, it’s still a challenge. It’s still very much a discipline. And most of the cars I run now are paddle shifters, so I don’t have to.
Steven Sashen
Yeah, that’s, that’s really interesting, actually. I mean, because, yeah, paddle shifting, it’s just so fast, especially now. Oh, my God. I went just for the fun of it. You’ll get a kick out of this. I don’t know if I told you this last week I did something. I did something that was really stupid. After watching a bunch of YouTube videos where YouTube just like showed me this one video and then I watched a bunch, I went and drove the car. From the videos that I’d seen the car, right. It was very dangerous. It was a Mercedes AMG GT63. I think it’s the new one, the SE extremely dangerous. It’s a $225,000 car. I do not have $225,000. My last car net was 15,000. The one before that net was 15,000. The One before that net was 15,000,. Get the hint? So, and net is, you know, bought the car, sold what I had before, but. Oh, my God. I mean, I’ve. The thing shifts so fast, you, you don’t even realize it’s happening practically. Except you just get plastered to the back of your seat again and again and again. And it ruined me. I mean, it really ruined me. Yeah.
Brian McRae
Takes the drama right out of it. That’s actually when driving cars like that. I mean, those, those cars came from race cars.
Steven Sashen
They’re all the. Yeah, all the AMG is part of the racing.
Brian McRae
They’re race. They’re race cars. And so to see how technology has advanced over the years, even over the last 10 or 15 years, to be able to go out and drive something like that and just see how phenomenally fast and how the brakes now everything works. And knowing this racing that pushes that along, that’s one of the reasons why I love it.
Steven Sashen
I have to tell you, one of my favorite things in that car has nothing to do with racing. I mean, it does a little bit, but it’s more effective when you’re parking. It has rear wheel steering. So if you’re turning to the left, the rear wheels turn to the right. So and the way, the way they told me about it, we pulled into the dealership to, you know, drop the car off after I was just, you know, giddy. And we pull up, we’re like driving up between a row of cars. And he wanted me to turn left and it was like barely a car width to turn into. I said, I’m gonna have to like do a 10 point turn. He goes, yeah, just try it. And the car just like, it was as if it was on a, on a turntable. It’s like rotated in and it was really cool.
Brian McRae
Technology, man.
Steven Sashen
And that is the geekiest thing that I can possibly say. No, no, wait.
Brian McRae
Most about it actually.
Steven Sashen
Wait, here’s the geekiest thing. The geekiest thing is that car is super, super low. And so it’s. If you’re going either over a speed bump or the opposite of a speed bump, which we have in our neighborhood for dealing with water, or even the curb in front of our driveway, it’s almost impossible to not crunch the front end. The car. You can raise the front end. This is not the geeky part. The geeky part’s coming. You can raise the front end a few inches so that you don’t bottom out. The car, the geeky part is when you do it in this car, it remembers where you are with gps. And when you get close to that location in gps, it automatically raises the car for you.
Brian McRae
Wow, that’s bonkers.
Steven Sashen
That’s. I think that’s probably. That’s $25,000 of the 200. $5,000. Yeah. Holy moly. What a, what a trip. So you mentioned sim to the gym. Talk to me. Just, you know, how many, how many SIM racers are really treating it, you know, as serious as real racers and going to the gym and just for the fun of it, you alluded to it. But say some more about your experience in the gym with, with zero shoes.
Brian McRae
So I have been wearing zeros in the gym since the very beginning. That was actually going all the way back to the original hfs. I think one of the the downsides of, I think, just gamers in general, anybody in that genre, is we’re inside and it’s setting, we’re sitting, we’re sitting down. Even if we’re working on steering wheel, we’re still sitting down. So it’s still setting. And so there is a tendency, you know, towards. Towards inaction, towards being. Being leading that sedentary lifestyle, snacking too much, etc. So I’m in my 50s and I’m trying to stay healthy, trying to stay young for my wife and for my kids. And fitness is just part of it. And it becomes more of a part of it as, you know, the older we get. So I’ve tried to incorporate that as much as I can into my lifestyle. And so these shoes are the perfect. They’re the perfect compliment because they do go from the sim to the gym. I don’t even have to change shoes. And so that’s. That’s kind of where that came from is this idea that, hey, you know, we’re we. That as a genre, that we’re sitting in the dark. Yeah, let’s go outside, let’s go to the gym. Let’s make sure we’re staying active to keep ourselves healthy at the same time. So that’s where that came from. But my experience in the gym, so I was. I was a competitive baseball player in my late 30s, early 40s, and I trained with a guy in a private gym. We trained barefoot. It’s the first time we trained barefoot. We did sprinting exercises, we did all the weightlifting. Everything was barefoot. And I’d never done it before and had no idea. So that was actually when I started that. That’s when I bought. That’s when I got my first pair of zeros. I said, like, I want to replicate that fe feel in real life as much as I could, but it was a whole, like a whole new world opened up when I started doing that.
Steven Sashen
Did you know. I mean, had you had any. I mean, I’m poisoning it well by asking the question this way, but I mean, did you either a have any issues, any, you know, joint, whatever, things that changed or. Or did you notice any change in performance once you were actually using your feet? I mean, like, I’m going to preface this with John Wadley, one of our VP of product development, has a great line. He goes, you know, people go to the gym, they work on everything from the ankles up, and they ignore the part below the ankles that supports everything from the ankles up. And we just see we’ve been a sponsor At Lifetime Fitness, we just see with the trainers and the. And the members who are wearing our shoes. It’s been really fun. Like, I helped lead a class. We led the class and then we put Jira shoes on their feet and we did a few more things again. And people were like, I just said a personal best.
Brian McRae
Yeah, I, for me, I was a catcher. And so wear and tear on your legs as a catcher is just one of the things you have to manage constantly. I was really fortunate. So I didn’t have too much of an injury history, but I developed shin splints and bad hamstring. My hamstrings were just notorious. I was continuously managing that. When I started training barefoot, that went away. Like once I, it was all. It was like you, like you talk about in all your videos, it was. I had to, I had to learn how to walk again. I had to learn how to run again. I had to get. I had to learn. Relearn biomechanics doing it. Yeah. And that, that, that proper biomechanical field was what I was trying to replicate with all these shoes that I was trying to time. But it was that. And once I, once I started. Now this was, I don’t know, 10, 15 years ago. But I don’t have low back problems, I don’t have hamstring problems, and I don’t get shin splints anymore. And so I 100 attribute it to the type of training that I do, but also the shoes that I wear.
Steven Sashen
Well, and you, you said it. And I’m going to reiterate it. You know, it’s about form, not footwear. It’s just certain foot. Where it gets in the way of good form. And other footwear can support that. So, you know, we’re just not getting in the way is really where it goes. Okay, let’s get to the fun part. So describe what a SIM racing rig is like and the range of cost that one can incur.
Brian McRae
Well, it’s just like a real car. I mean, you can, you know, you can, you can bolt a, you know, $500 steering wheel to your laptop and try it that way. And many people get their start that way. Or you can actually get a.
Steven Sashen
Wait, you. You gotta unfuzz your background.
Brian McRae
Oh, let me do that real quick. Hold on a second.
Steven Sashen
Defuzzify yourself self. This is going to be very interesting. Now you’re still fuzzy. Now you’re. Now you’re still fuzzy. Here, I’ll do the Jeopardy. Theme song. Oh, wait, are you. No, getting there.
Brian McRae
I’m Getting there. Getting there.
Steven Sashen
Okay. All right. Okay. Stay on target.
Brian McRae
There we go.
Steven Sashen
Okay, show me what you got.
Brian McRae
Got it. Okay, so this is, is a full on dead spot. It doesn’t have motion, but it does have. Wait, wait, wait.
Steven Sashen
Doesn’t have. What about. All right, we’ll come, we’ll come back to motion because.
Brian McRae
What.
Steven Sashen
But. All right, keep going.
Brian McRae
This is. But I have a 49 inch widescreen, and that widescreen is on a floating panel. So I can, I can basically put it right next to my face. The wheel is a direct drive steering wheel. So it actually has just as much resistance as a regular race car does. You can see maybe the footwell down there. He’s got the pedals down there too. So it’s a fully functional. But I sit down in the racing seat.
Steven Sashen
It also looked like you had a. Look like you had a subwoofer behind there somewhere.
Brian McRae
That’s the PC, okay. Computer that runs it. So I run through headphones, but I’ve got super high fidelity headphones for that, for that application too. So my I. Mine is you can get all kinds of lights and bells and whistles and button boxes and all kinds of motions and all kinds of things. Bass shakers. But I found that fidelity, really, fidelity is about the wheel. It’s about the visuals. So the monitor, I’ve got a really high quality monitor and the pedals and those three things, that’s. That’s where I spent all my money and all my time is on those three things. And getting, enhancing that fidelity has made all the difference in the world.
Steven Sashen
So if someone’s going to get started, I mean, you know, like low end, high end, what are we talking about?
Brian McRae
So low end, say a thousand dollars. High end, 3 to 5,000. So you. And you could spend 10, 15, 20 if you wanted to. There’s some seriously expensive rigs out there.
Steven Sashen
So is. Is this one of those sports where, for lack of a better term, some rich old white guys spend a lot of money even though they don’t have the skill to use it?
Brian McRae
You know, somewhat I found that if you can race, you can race, you can race. And I have raced against guys who are beating me with the lowest, the lowest, the lowest quality wheel there is. They’re just that skilled, they’re few and far between. For my, my own personal. I’m especially getting older. I don’t have the fast twitch and the reaction time. So I’ve found that upgrad equipment, especially the wheel, that made a huge difference in my ability to be successful.
Steven Sashen
That’s Very interesting. Yeah, that reaction time thing and that speed thing. Oh man. And I’m way older than you, so.
Brian McRae
It’S, the clock is undefeated, man.
Steven Sashen
I’ll tell you, I was, I was at the, the first, I think it was the first time I was at the senior games when I just turned 50 and there was a bunch of 60 year olds there who were saying, God, dude, just wait. When he turns 60, it falls off a cliff. Cliff. And there happened to be a bunch of 80 year olds standing behind them and they walked up and was like, guys, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Brian McRae
There’s always somebody older.
Steven Sashen
Well, you know, in the all American times, not only do they get slower with each new age group that I’ve been going in, but the amount of slow, slower they get, gets, gets bigger and bigger and bigger.
Brian McRae
I, I just turned 55 and I feel I, this is, I’ve been, I’ve been fortunate enough to feel pretty young and stay pretty young, but I’m feeling, and I feel like, I mean it’s, it’s a, it’s. I have not felt this before in my life. I’m having to work harder, having to, you know, it’s really having to manage it more than I ever did before.
Steven Sashen
The, the, the biggest thing that I’ve noticed, I mean I’m turning 63 in a couple weeks is that I’m, I mean I’ve actually been lifting a lot just for the sign of saying it, for the last year, a little over a year. And I’m, I’m, I’ve got more muscle mass than I ever had in my life and I’m lifting, but I’m not lifting as heavy as I used to sometimes. Partly because I don’t want to be an idiot because I got a screwed up spine. So I’m not doing heavy squatting, heavy deadlifting at all. But, but the biggest thing is the, the physical changes are very fun. I enjoy them thoroughly. But psychologically it’s difficult because I have to do way more recovery and rest. I can’t get in as much volume. And I, and, and the changes, either the amount of weight that I’m lifting or what’s actually happening in my body, body are so much slower. And frankly, partly I started doing this because I wanted to see how much bigger I could get before I inevitably got smaller. Because I remember seeing Jack lalanne. I’ve talked about this a bunch of times. I remember seeing a video of Jack Lalanne, he’s like 90, 92. And they’re showing that he’s still lifting. He co invented the Universal Gym, which I’m sure no one, most people have never seen. It was one of the first like all in one things and he’s doing the bench press and he’s like, if you look carefully, he was lifting 20 pounds.
Brian McRae
Yeah.
Steven Sashen
But you know, there’s 90 something years old, so. And again, I know like if I just, if I can just live to 100, I can possibly break that record. Only in the, in the 100 meters only because there’s probably nobody else who’s going to be racing. So it’s so there, there’s just a, a bunch of that. So it is, yeah, it is a fascinating thing discovering how to adjust to some things. I mean not everything’s inevitable, but some of it is. I mean I’ve definitely staved off quite a bit with what I’ve done. I’m sure you have as well. But not everything, man. I mean I am, I’ve learned to adapt.
Brian McRae
I think one of the things like I like you, I used to take, I would work out three, four days a week maybe and I would be sore all the time. But about a year ago I started working out every single day. So I did not. I work out every single day, single day. Now I’d like, I manage my workload so I’m not in there throwing a bunch of weight, working out two hours. I’m having to be, I have to be very cautious. But it’s almost like I’m. I’ve trained my body to be ready to work.
Steven Sashen
Yeah.
Brian McRae
Body’s producing the chemicals and the hormones that I need to always keep working because I never get sore. Well, that’s tired but I’ve never been sore.
Steven Sashen
That’s interesting. I mean the workouts that I do, it’s three times a week. It’s legs is one day. And I always do that first because it’s so unbearably difficult that if I did that anything other than first, I wouldn’t want to do anything else. Like after leg day, the other two workouts, which is back and shoulders and then chest, arms, abs, I look forward to the other ones. I mean they’re really hard. Like the, the trainer that I’m working with, I mean I was on the floor gasping for air after working my biceps two days ago. So. Because, I mean he just beats me up really good. But it was, it took me, I said to him at one point, is the rest of my life where I’m to have half a day where I’m not Sore because, because my workouts are like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, I don’t even need to space them out because of the way they are. And he goes, yeah, pretty much. But, but it’s not true. And I mean in the last couple months I, I’m still, I still get sore or I still feel the effect of the workout for a day, day and a half, but I’m not getting sore the way I used to. I’m definitely able to tolerate more and I’ve been craving a little more volume, which he just tells me, no, you gotta rest. So it’s, it’s a bit of a push me pull you. I just, I’ve become more active on those non workout days because I do have the, I’ve built up a little tolerance which is very, very interesting. But at the same time, like last week, our leg day was an exercise I had not done and we pushed it, he’s pushing me really hard now and we pushed it really hard and I, it was five days till I could sit on a toilet without, you know, having a hard time getting on.
Brian McRae
And I want to do that anymore. I don’t want to do that.
Steven Sashen
Oh, I see. I, I like it. I mean, I mean I don’t mind.
Brian McRae
Hurting, but that’s why, I mean, I, you know, because I’m working out every day, I can’t do, I can’t do that type of workout.
Steven Sashen
So I have to, Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Brian McRae
As, as, you know, getting older and being not injury prone, but certainly being, having to watch injuries and having to change the way.
Steven Sashen
Right.
Brian McRae
Working out every day is kind of like the perfect signal because you just listen to your body. And so it’s, it’s been, I’d never done it before and I think that for me it’s also habit maintenance. I’m better if I can do something every day.
Steven Sashen
I’m, I’m, I’m, I have a similar thing like if I’m doing something for 10 minutes every day, it’s easier than doing, doing that, than doing 30 minutes three times a week or something like that for whatever, for whatever reason, the pushing hard thing I find very gratifying and satisfying. And I did, he did give me a compliment. I mean, this guy, if you work with him, his name’s Kevin Richardson, when the way you become a client of Kevin’s is he’ll give you a free workout and you see if you like it and he’ll give you leg day and. Yeah. And if you come back after that and say, yeah, I want to pay you a Not insignificant amount of money. You’re an idiot. And. And so. Yeah, I know. I mean, that’s how he weeds them out. And the thing he did say to me, he said, look, you know, so knowing that all of my clients. Clients, they push hard, just. I mean, you know, that’s what we all have in common. I have to tell you, you’re the winner. You know, you will. You will push harder. I mean, not that I’m not lifting more weight or whatever, but, you know, you will just keep going until you can’t over and over. And I go, well, yeah, that’s what you do, right?
Brian McRae
So that’s best. True. True to all areas of your life, Steven.
Steven Sashen
I would think if it’s something that I’m really into, yeah, I go in pretty far for whatever that. I mean, whatever that looks like. But the physical stuff is. It’s a different thing. Like my. I don’t know why I’m talking about this. My brain goes very wide. I’m not good at prioritizing. I’m good coming up with a whole lot of things. But when I do physical things, I need them to be short and intense. I’m a sprinter. When I lift, it’s the same way. I mean that for it. And I’m very focused when I do that. It’s a. My physical stuff is a whole different thing than my mental stuff. And I don’t know if that’s common or not, but it’s definitely. It’s just the way it works sense.
Brian McRae
For you as a sprinter, because you have to be like that. It’s like every little matters. Thousands matter.
Steven Sashen
Oh, no, it’s. It’s. It’s horrible because, like, at the end. Well, because you can never do it right or you never do it perfect. Like, at the end of every race, you know, people go, hey, how’d you do? And I’ve started answering, oh, can I just give you the time? Or can I give you the excuse and the time. Because there’s always an excuse. I mean, for all of us.
Brian McRae
So at least. At least you’re. You’re doing this in real life. It’s like you. You know, you, like, you have a race, you have a bad race and, like, stage or whatever. I have a bad race in a pretend race car that doesn’t exist, and my day is ruined the next day. I spend the whole day muttering to myself about what I did wrong or whatever. It’s. It’s insane.
Steven Sashen
Well, the. The thing that’s changed for me is that I know that things go Wrong. And when they do, I. I really don’t care so much anymore. I mean, like this indoor track season, I went to a race, and I didn’t get to race because, well, for the fun of it, you can look it up. If you didn’t hear about it on the news. A guy died, got hit. The hammer throw, it’s a different thing. It’s like the hammer throw is a weight at the end of a chain. The indoor, it’s a weight with a handle. And it cleared the. The barrier and hit a guy and he died.
Brian McRae
Oh, my goodness.
Steven Sashen
It was. I mean, I don’t. I don’t know who I felt worse for, the guy’s family or the kid who threw the thing and. Cause, I mean, holy moly. Um, so I didn’t get a race in the next week. I go to the CU Invitational. Warming up, felt great. And I went, let’s just come out of the blocks once before the race actually starts. And I. I set the blocks at a slightly different angle because I usually set mine at 45 degrees. They had either 40 or 50. I went to 50. So it’s a steep. Like a. Like, more. Worse. There’s more motion with 50 degrees than 40 degrees. And that little bit extra, that 5 degrees extra was just enough of a stretch response that my calf went, whoa, whoa, whoa. And my calf seized up, and then I was done for the day. It didn’t rip anything. It just, like. I just wasn’t used to that much stretch. And then I, you know, lost that day. And then the next week, we had, like, a snowstorm. So. But. But my response now is kind of like, oh, whatever. And, you know, I wasted a couple hundred bucks and what am I going to do? So you have a good race, you have a bad race. Don’t care so much.
Brian McRae
Short memory. Short memory.
Steven Sashen
That could be. Well, I’ve just lived through it. I mean, I’ve had enough times where I’ve gotten injured and gotten all upset, and then after a while, you just go, you know, it’s like when I was doing comedy. You have good sets, you have bad sets, and it takes a while. It takes quite a number of bad sets to know when it’s you versus the audience. Audience. And once, you know, sometimes it’s just not a big deal. I had one show that I’m going way off track. I did one show. It was a third show on a Saturday night midnight show, and I’m supposed to do 45 minutes, and I get up there and I do my opening joke, which I Don’t remember what it was, but, you know, it’s a. It’s a 100, and it got nothing. And then I do another joke that I knew is like, really strong and I got nothing. Then I do the bit that I close with, which is like, you know, a standing ovation, walk off, like kind of thing, nothing. And I just looked at the audience. Well, that’s the funniest that I got. Good night. And I walked off the stage and the club owner was on the floor laughing because he’s seen it happen to everybody. And just so you know, it’s like just. You roll with it. You learn to roll with it. That said, there was one time where as I was actually being featured on a television show and they taped me at Contra Rising Star one night in New York, and I crushed it. And the next night at a club in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, and I couldn’t buy a laugh. And my girlfriend at the time, she’s now famous, and her father managed famous comedians. And afterwards I was very unhappy. And she said, is there anything I could do? I said, find me some chocolate cake and I’ll see you in the bedroom. And she goes, I can do both of those. Worked out okay. So, yeah, it’s. But it is interesting, you know, for being there. I. I guess the. The real thing that I’m talking about is, especially as we get older, finding the right way to handle having a competitive urge and what it means about winning and losing and training and actually competing and knowing there’s that. That intermittent reinforcement of sometimes it’s better than others, and that’s what you get coming back, back, or sometimes it’s worse, and that’s what gets you coming back. And, you know, it’s a fascinating psychological thing to explore. And so that’s really the theme of our last 10 minutes for anyone who is approaching any age, really, but certainly especially, you know, at this one, which is the time when people our age are prone to buying $225,000 cars and doing stupid things. So you just found a way to channel that in a way that is quite, quite brilliant.
Brian McRae
I, you know, this. That’s one of the reasons why I love it so much, is it’s. It’s enough of an escape to allow me to do something that I love to do without the risk, without the time, away from my family. And so it, you know, fills me up in the ways that I need it to. But like you said, I’m older, I don’t have. I don’t have the money or the time or the health to go out and you know, run a fast car around a real racetrack. So I do it here and I can express my love for the sport, grow my love for the sport, teach it, you know, follow it in different ways, but do it from home.
Steven Sashen
Speaking of following, can people like watch races that you guys are in?
Brian McRae
So our hourly broadcast, our Sunday night races are broadcast on YouTube and so there’s actually a live broadcast team that calls the race as it’s going, going down. And so that, that it’s just our league race is four nights a week. But that, that, that race is the only night that’s televised.
Steven Sashen
Well that’s the perfect segue to if people want to find out more about sim racing or they want to watch what you’re doing or just get in touch with you to find out more. How can they and should they do that?
Brian McRae
Yeah, there’s two ways. The best way is either on Facebook and so top flight Sim racing on Facebook.
Steven Sashen
Say it again, slow down.
Brian McRae
Top Flight sim racing. So all one word. We’re the same on LinkedIn. So I have profiles on both of those places. That’s probably the best way to get.
Steven Sashen
A hold of me. And then from there, if they want to, if they want to watch a race, which I imagine, I imagine, imagine could be very, very interesting. How do they do that?
Brian McRae
So that’s your best bets to go to YouTube and just go to Iracing. Go to Iracing’s main channel. They have really high fidelity broadcasts there. And then our league is called the OBRL. So if you go search for the OBRL on YouTube, you’ll find our channel and you’ll find all of our broadcast races there as well.
Steven Sashen
Oh, I love it. That’s not that. That’s definitely on my to do list now. Well, Brian, thank you so much. It’s been an absolute pleasure and I hope, hope that really it just kind of not only inspires people to check out, you know, sim racing, which is fascinating, but just the idea of different things that you might be finding that you can do in a pair of zero shoes. It’s a bit, a bit self something or self serving to say that. But I mean I say it because I don’t think that people need to wear zero shoes for everything they do. There’s a time and a place. But what I found from talking to people like you or people who are into Dance Dance Revolution or you know, all these things that people contact me about where they’re going, your shoes are perfect for and they had, they didn’t know and they found out. You know, it’s like experiment and see. Because what I’m hoping is people can send some video or reach out and go, hey, here’s this crazy thing that I’m doing that you’re, you’re not going to believe is, you know, zero shoes are perfect for and have those conversations. Because that’s my favorite thing is discovering all the off label stuff that people do that where we can be helpful. So anyway, it was like striking gold.
Brian McRae
When it happens like that. It happens to be able to share that with other people so that other people can too. It’s, it’s, I’m really happy to be able to be able to do that.
Steven Sashen
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